If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. The three Windage columns do the same with deflection. I already have a 280 Ackley. The .280 Rem and .30-06 are slightly more (about 21 foot pounds); the .270 WSM, 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag are noticeably more (26 to 31 foot pounds); the .338 Win Mag is still greater (36 foot pounds); while the .300 and .338 Remington Ultra Mags are far greater (51 to 54 foot pounds). Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. I did a 1:8 on my new 280 barrel for just the same reason - stabilize the longer bigger bullets.. That is the velocity difference apparently according to Noslers load data. The three Elevation columns show drop in inches, Minutes of Angle, and Milradians. A 280 AI can safely fire 280 Remington ammunition, simultaneously fire-forming brass cases to reloadable 280 AI … In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box Joined: 03/24/2005 . … Here is a ballistic chart of 280 Ackley Improved cartridge performance when firing a 175-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Top . 28 Nosler probably fills the same gap/need. Admittedly I am a 284 kinda guy. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of comparing and … The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. When P.O. Ackley credited Fred Huntington, founder of the RCBS reloading die company, with being the originator of the .280 Remington Improved. Nov 13, 2013 #1 T. trigger2012 New Member. … Oct 25, 2016 #5 MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. I just had a .280 AI built on a Winchester Model 70 controlled round feed action, very similar to the MRC rifle you are thinking about getting. Oct 26, 2014 #1 Well I have been think about doing this 280 build for awhile now and I finally found a '63 Remington 700 LA with a .473 bolt face in it. I am going to load mine with 160+g bullets and never go back to 140's. I need to know if the .284 has/can be made? As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. .280 vs .30-06.280 Ackley Improved; See also; References; History. I just was wondering how much of a gain would it be to have the extra 300 fps for range and wind conditions. The 280 Remington (case length 2.525 OL 3.330) and 270 Winchester (case length 2.540, OL 3.340) are basically the same, with the exception that the .280 shoulder is moved forward about 0.10 inch. The .280 Remington does, however, have a larger than expected number of European users in imported self-loading rifles such as those by Remington. Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm . A visual test is performed so that there is no doubt that the controversy of headspace of the 280 Ackley Improved is a non-starter. Next Last. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. The 7mm STW, and .28 Nosler are also good options, but might be a bit much for strictly … The 280 Ackley is about as close to perfect as a North American hunting rifle can get, for hunting any type of deer. You should be able to get a similar one built for 1500-1700. bheadboy. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. Is it too much for you to shoot all day? I have always wanted a .280AI but the more I research the .300 WSM the more I am … Joined Oct 13, 2008 Messages 14,708 Location Alabama.280 AI will handle your needs with no issue, and is also one of my favorite cartridges. Either one would work fine for the animals that you mentioned. if you pulled a 600yshot, and missed the vitals, it would be nice to have the big bullet still moving fast. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. What don't you like about the 28 Nosler ? Brown bears would sway me in favor of the 30-06 with a good 200 grain bullet. Posts: 3213 . It shoots the 160-168's fine. Nov 16, 2013 #6 ... 308 vs 280 Ackley . 3) Bell and Carlson Medalist Stock. Ackley's earliest wildcats was the 7mm-06 Improved, which was made by necking down the .30-06 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. RD if you don't think you need it, you probably don't. As for the stock, been thinking about either a Brown Precision or some sort of … Consequently, I have two rifles chambered in .280 Remington (a Winchester Featherweight and a Remington Anniversary Model), so I haven't felt the need to own a .280 AI at this point. Don Fischer. This resulted in people confusing it with the 7 mm Remington Magnum, and Remington changed the name back to .280 in 1981.[1]. Here’s why: 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. Depending on the type of hunting your planning on doing.... Dave I was thinking the 28 over the 26 because of barrel wear. From Guns and Gear® Season 4, Tom Gresham discusses the .280 Remington. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Speer Reloading Manual Number Ten (1979), p. 182, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.280_Remington&oldid=993152641#.280_Ackley_Improved, Articles needing additional references from January 2013, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 9 December 2020, at 01:53. The neck was deliberately moved forward to prevent chambering in a .270 Winchester rifle, as firing a .280 round in a .270 rifle could cause the projectile to get stuck in the barrel or rupture the barrel due to excessive pressure. If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the.280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard.280 Remington. In a horse race,with everything equal(it never is)the 7 Rem Mag is going to be the fastest because it holds more powder.If you dote on shear velocity,get a 7 mag; if you want the most velocity in a standard action, get the AI.If you don't care about either,get the 280...whatever keeps your gunwales above the highwater mark. Also which one has the largest case capacity? In 2007, ammunition manufacturer Nosler registered the.280 Ackley Improved with SAAMI and began providing factory loaded ammunition and rifles for it. The difference is minimal, much like the comparison between the .308 and .30-06, and with the … Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the .280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard .280 Remington. Ackley. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:57 am, edited 1 time in total. 1 of 2 Go to page. In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. Not really a question of need for me. It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. The .280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the .30-06 Springfield, but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient. Original loads were 125, 150 and 165 grain bullet weights. Fred's version had a 30-degree shoulder angle and held a pinch more powder than the 7mm-06 Ackley Improved. Top. However, "The slight difference in length of reformed cases doesn't make any practical difference." Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; Prev. Joined Mar 25, 2011 Messages 1,115 Location Reno, Nevada. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. There is very little difference … I think a .280 Ackley would be cool. Ackley’s designs. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. Not because I think it’s a major step up from the standard 25-06 , but because — like many of you — … Top. Shoulder is set at 40-degrees. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. Where the .280 Ackley Improved differs from the .280 Rem. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Go. This is how easy it is to reload for .280AI vs .280: Go to store that sells ammo and reloading supplies, find box of Nosler Custom brass in .280AI or order it, pay for said box of brass. Alot depends on the type of hunt your planning on doing. Don Fischer. The .280 Remington, also known as the 7mm-06 Remington and 7mm Express Remington, was introduced in 1957 for the Remington model 740, 760, 721, and 725 rifles. 308 vs 280 Ackley Improved . Thread starter tflorman; Start date Oct 28, 2020; tflorman. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. Cases were more easily formed by firing .280 Remington factory ammo in the improved chamber, so Ackley eventually abandoned his wildcat on … yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. Take brass home, and then reload it as normal for any other bottle necked rifle case. I already have a 280 Ackley. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. by 100 fps. Jan 14, 2017 #1 Non-Lead Hunter Active member. I consider a 280ai a longer range rifle than I need. The SAAMI spec cartridge carries the approved name of " 280 Ackley Improved " . I loaded up some Nosler 140 gr. 280 Ackley Improved vs. 280 Rem. I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A NEW RIFLE IN A 280 Ackley IMPROVED. 308 vs 280 Ackley . Ackley gave the .280 Remington a steep 40-degree shoulder and straightened out most of the cartridge case’s body taper, he likely knew he was on to something special. Improved 40 Degree. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. _____ Fortiorum fortia facta. VS 30-06. The only consideration here . Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. So now my plan was to save up some more cash and to purchase a barrel. Jan 17, 2017 #21 S. specneeds Member. Nevertheless, either chambering will serve you well, putting a grin on your chin each time you touch it off. 1 of 2 Go to page. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. Sams first whitetail hunt. Today, loaded ammunition and new brass are available from Nosler. the .280 improved is one of the "rare" ackley rounds that does actually show an appreciable improvement in velocity with most bullet weights. The older wildcat has several names including 280 Ackley Improved 40°, 280 Rem Improved 40°, 280 Imp 40°, 280 Ackley, 280 Rem Imp, and more. I'm surprised that I see so many guys that shoot the .280 AI there must … it's somewhat untypical of what ackley originaly developed the "improved" cartridge design for, more or less a … Oct 28, 2020 #1 I'm a bit short on funds, so I've decided to sell this rifle to fund another match rifle project that I've been itching to get after. Location: Antelope, Ore . Now, as far as .308 vs. .280, there is a much wider range of factory ammo available for the .308 and it is much more readily available. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150 grains and above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. Despite the distance of time, some of his developments – notably the .30-30 Ackley Improved, the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved and the .280 Remington Ackley Improved – enjoy considerable popularity today. It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Joined Dec 12, 2014 Messages 46. Go. Offline. Posted: Thu … JD338 Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. The .280 Ackley Improved has been basking in the limelight since Nosler started chambering its Model 48 rifle for it and offering loaded ammo and unprimed cases. With RL-26 my load is at 2950 with the 160 Accubond and 2925 with the 162 ELDx. Help with 280 Ackley Build. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. Joined Sep 8, 2016 Messages 130. Login or register to post comments; Tue, 2013-03-26 19:10 #2. Offline. Login or register to post comments; Tue, 2013-03-26 19:10 #2. Other than the fact that I had to use obscure powders like 217, 869 and RL33, with significantly more recoil, to get a couple clicks difference out to how far I kill critters...not much. Nov 13, 2013 #2 MudRunner2005 … Factory loaded, starting with Nosler, in 2007. Practice days earlier. 2) Shilen barrel. SJB358 Post subject: Re: .280 AI or .284 Winchester. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. Looking at the velocity difference between the two cartridges, you’ll see the .280 Remington driving a140-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity between 2950 and 3050 fps, while the 7mm-08 Remington clocks in between 2800 and 2850 fps (Hornady’s Superformance being an exception at 2900 fps). built by Shaw Barrels . I think a .280 Ackley would be cool. 280 Ackley Improved Ballistic Table. Should weigh 8lb when I put the scope on. The .280 is based on the .30-03 necked down to accept 7 mm (.284 in) bullets, with the neck moved forward .050 in (1.27mm). I've got a .280 Ackley built by Accurate Ordnance with a 22" Brux 1-9" twist. Here’s why: 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. I don't like shooting at game when the wind is kicking at great distances, but maybe the gain would make me rethink it some what. If I was shooting big critters at long distances, I might consider a 300 RUM. The three … .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. Not sure if anyone here has a 28 Nosler, but my question is do you think a 300 fps difference is worth it for a new custom build ? I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Process as any other bottle necked rifle case less powder and generating less,... 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